tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33813337.post8581232181944480401..comments2023-09-12T06:18:38.552-04:00Comments on The World in the Satin Bag: Preliminary Cyberpunk Curriculum, and Other ConsiderationsAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13571452656553970472noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33813337.post-13561580032520624432009-10-01T10:18:55.576-04:002009-10-01T10:18:55.576-04:00David: It's added to the list. I'll see ...David: It's added to the list. I'll see if it will fit in with what I'm trying to work with.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13571452656553970472noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33813337.post-66460392693775309482009-09-30T19:11:14.942-04:002009-09-30T19:11:14.942-04:00Can't help you with the Marxism, but I'll ...Can't help you with the Marxism, but I'll suggest <i>Nova</i>, by Samuel R. Delany on the fiction end. This is a 1968 novel sometimes cited as proto-cyberpunk. It includes the man-machine interface theme, but the jacked-in ones here are laborers running machines - might mesh with the Marxism?Davidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33813337.post-51704548274370009682009-09-29T10:49:10.256-04:002009-09-29T10:49:10.256-04:00Stace: Akira certainly influenced cyberpunk. It&...Stace: Akira certainly influenced cyberpunk. It's been a while since I've seen the movie (or read the manga), but I will definitely consider extending my project to graphic novels. Thanks for the suggestion!<br /><br />Jodi: Ghost in the Shell would be a fine example of Japanese cyberpunk, so you already know cyberpunk visually (though the deeper context in Ghost in the Shell is largely lost to those who watch it because it's cool, but if you dig into it, you see all the layers of what is going on).<br /><br />Cyberpunk is a genre, but it's a sub category of, typically, science fiction. Some do argue that cyberpunk exists outside of SF, and they would have a lot of evidence to support such notions.<br /><br />You should read my posts on cyberpunk to get an idea of what I'm working with. It's not such a flashy genre as people tend to think (I mean, it is flashy, at times, but cyberpunk is never given credit for what it actually does in being a remarkably subversive form of literature).<br /><br />Thanks for the suggestions and thoughts!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13571452656553970472noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33813337.post-15709189014453154162009-09-29T07:40:49.474-04:002009-09-29T07:40:49.474-04:00I think it is a great idea. I am unfamiliar with ...I think it is a great idea. I am unfamiliar with any cyberpunk sadly. I do know some anime though. Ghost in the shell, Full Metal Alchemy, Cowboy Beebop. I would love to read some cyberpunk and would love for it to be a genre in and of itself. Dr. Who also is on my radar for cyberpunk as well. I liked the novel The Stand by stepen king, he was the antthisis of cyberpunk in that one. Atleast that is my opinion. Hitchikers guide to the galaxy comes to mind. Don't forget your towel!Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15055558847536339677noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33813337.post-80646992845309092732009-09-28T19:59:33.129-04:002009-09-28T19:59:33.129-04:00I would consider the Akira manga literature, preda...I would consider the Akira manga literature, predating the movie by a number of years. I would consider that an influence on the cyberpunk genre.stacehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10502146527973824257noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33813337.post-49993390027677781872009-09-28T18:56:12.913-04:002009-09-28T18:56:12.913-04:00Sarah: I will look up Weber and Wolf. I like Mar...Sarah: I will look up Weber and Wolf. I like Marxist criticisms of Capitalism, but I wanted to move out of that for some of this (Jameson covers enough Marx for me :P). I thought of having the Communist Manifesto here, but I wasn't sure if that would pull this concept too far into Marx's territory. I may include it.<br /><br />Foucault is a good idea (or at least someone talking about Foucault). Thanks :). I am interested in Postmodernism only insofar as it relates to capitalism, because the design of this independent study is to examine the structures of capitalism within "true" cyberpunk novels.<br /><br />As to the Cadigan and Sterling...well, do you have a suggestion for a good cyberpunk Cadigan? I don't know her work (or his?) well enough. Sterling, well, I considered Mirrorshades, since I own it. Maybe?<br /><br />I did consider anime, but I wanted this to be literature based. However, Ghost in the Shell did cross my mind, among others, and I didn't think of Lain until you mentioned it (that would be a big one, I think, because it's creepy as hell). Thanks for the suggestions!<br /><br />Adam: Any suggestions on where to start? I am insufficiently educated on the subject of Nihilism...Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13571452656553970472noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33813337.post-38667430291746355772009-09-28T18:49:54.249-04:002009-09-28T18:49:54.249-04:00I would definitely hit on Nihilism. It was the pre...I would definitely hit on Nihilism. It was the precursor to Modernism and is very interesting.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33813337.post-11833397760708335512009-09-28T18:46:31.510-04:002009-09-28T18:46:31.510-04:00You can look at Max Weber and Eric Wolf re: capita...You can look at Max Weber and Eric Wolf re: capitalism. Wolf is a particular fav of mine, dealing with the global political economy. There's also a lot of material in colonial/postcolonial theory you could work with, but much of this will be grounded in Marxist theory. I highly recommend reading at least excerpts from the Communist Manifesto. You also would do well to pick up some Michel Foucault re: PoMo theory, as tedious as it can be.<br /><br />I notice a lack of Pat Cadigan, Bruce Sterling, short fiction, and the influence/alternate perspective of anime (esp Ghost in the Shell, Lain).<br /><br />Just my first impressions.Sara J.http://jumpdrives.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.com