tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33813337.post2622010572920742253..comments2023-09-12T06:18:38.552-04:00Comments on The World in the Satin Bag: Debt is Wonderful (*deluding myself*)Anonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13571452656553970472noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33813337.post-60341611763806027942011-07-12T19:33:53.806-04:002011-07-12T19:33:53.806-04:00I will. Thanks for the recommendation, Mike!I will. Thanks for the recommendation, Mike!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13571452656553970472noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33813337.post-32070883659084291902011-07-12T19:25:09.175-04:002011-07-12T19:25:09.175-04:00you should check out 'Zombie Economics' by...you should check out 'Zombie Economics' by Rick Emerson - a guide to personal finance. I think you'd like it! Simple, fun, funny and straight forward.Mikenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33813337.post-3190836782969996662011-07-11T16:25:24.378-04:002011-07-11T16:25:24.378-04:00Part Two:
I also have contempt for the consumptio...Part Two:<br /><br />I also have contempt for the consumption machine precisely because it's an exploitative system which attempts to make public "goods" into inaccessible "services" for the majority. This inadvertently leads to those baby pumping machines I discussed, since people end up chained to debt or financial destitution, to which their children are subsequently chained by social conditioning or social "genetic" inheritance.<br /><br />Having a Ferrari is a mark of financial elitism. I don't think having access to reasonably priced education is an elitist position, but a public "good." So, yes, I have contempt for the very system which has me chained by debt, but primarily because being chained by debt is a priori to the very world in which we live. About which nothing has changed. That leaves me with a choice: I can not get an education and stay in financial destitution forever, seeing how I am not fit for manual labor of any serious form, nor have any passion for anything but what I am doing now, or I can go into debt for the next 20 years in the hope that I'll get a good paying job and can make something reasonable of my life.<br /><br />But it's also absurd to suggest that I would enjoy my education more if I placed different values upon it. I don't dislike my educational experience as an *experience.* I dislike the financial burden required for me to be able to have that experience -- a burden which will not be easily alleviated by the jobs made available to me in my desired field precisely because our economic culture has devalued that job's function. I love what I do. That's clear in what I said, and you glossed over it for your own ideological purposes (perhaps; I don't know). And that's fine and dandy, but it suggests a position which is fallible at best: that somehow disliking the debt is related to dislike of my education, and that revaluing that education will alleviate my just concerns over $31K in loans that I will have to pay off on a salary you wouldn't offer to someone else in a society-founding industry (such as the sciences).<br /><br />Thanks for playing the anonymous game. This has been fun.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13571452656553970472noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33813337.post-50960732282281709722011-07-11T16:25:16.086-04:002011-07-11T16:25:16.086-04:00Part one:
If thinking that people that teach other...Part one:<br />If thinking that people that teach other people how to read and write should be justly compensated for what they do, which quite clearly makes contemporary society function (i.e., that the removal of literacy from society as a whole, or even from the majority, would result, at our present moment, in societal collapse)...if that makes me an elitist, then I'm quite happy to be an elitist.<br /><br />Now to your points:<br />I think if you have certain degrees you should get paid more than you're currently being paid, but not necessarily that you should be paid "more" than others. But I also think all people should have access to degrees, if they are willing to fork the intellectual effort to get one, whether that be in the sciences or the liberal arts. This is implied in my post when I mention that some countries offer university-level education for free (or at little cost to consumers). The only reason getting a university degree and saying I should get paid more here in the U.S. is an elitist position is because getting a degree somehow makes me more privileged than others simply because I happened to have the right set of skills (I was the right race and gender) and the right "upbringing" that made it possible for me to both get to the level at which acquiring a degree was possible and to get the funding necessary to make acquiring a degree reasonable (and that's a mouthful). In other societies, having a degree doesn't necessarily make you an elitist, since it is far more likely that one doesn't have a degree because they don't want one (or didn't put in the effort to do well enough in school to go and get one) (though this is not to imply that racial or gender politics aren't active elsewhere; I'm simply suggesting that my experience elsewhere in the world is one in which elitism is fairly limited in the context of education). The U.S. is a different beast entirely.<br /><br />But please misunderstand what I was saying by claiming that I want to be part of a "better class" simply because I have a degree. I don't precisely because I think access to college education in the U.S. should be more open than it is.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13571452656553970472noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33813337.post-23499462207324664502011-07-11T14:37:41.415-04:002011-07-11T14:37:41.415-04:00This post seems to encapsulate why people dislike ...This post seems to encapsulate why people dislike academics/intellectuals quite nicely. In a short post you've managed to express three elitist views:<br /><br />1) If you have a degree, you should get paid more than other people.<br />2) Intellectuals are the heart of culture; without someone (with expensive training) teaching the correct way to think, we would fall into "barbarism."<br />3) A clear disdain for the lifestyle choices of others, who can only "pump out babies for the consumption machine." <br /><br />And yet within the same post you complain about a classist society. Perhaps the reason it won't change is because those who want it to are classist/elitist themselves?<br /><br />I hope you realize the irony in talking about the "consumption machine" with contempt, too - for the heart of your post is lamenting your excessive consumption of education. While it's couched in lofty rhetoric, the education industry is just that - an industry with a product to sell you, and you've bought into it hard. <br /><br />I would suggest that you'll enjoy your education much more if you realize that the only value it has is the value that you place on it. If you're measuring your self-worth (or more importantly the worth of others) solely on educational attainment or monetary worth, then you'll never get out of your weird existential crisis about life.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com